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WHat is the term -- I believe descending from Calvinist theology -- that means unsaved or depraved or not among the elect, but that came to mean simply bad, immoral, resistant to correction?


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Jan. 16th, 2015 05:29 pm (UTC)
Possibly. . .
Jan. 16th, 2015 06:10 pm (UTC)
Re: Unregenerate?
That's the one! I knew there was "r" and likely an "un" but "unredeemed was all I could get
Lawrence Brown
Jan. 16th, 2015 05:35 pm (UTC)
at least that's what I remember from Gravity's Rainbow and The Recognitions...
Jan. 16th, 2015 06:13 pm (UTC)
Re: Preterite?
I've heard the word but never knew what it meant. I'd have guessed something positive -- a church official, maybe?
Jan. 16th, 2015 05:41 pm (UTC)
Tho' toad I am the object of man's hate.
Yet better am I than a reprobate.     who has the worst of prospects.
--Christopher Smart, Jubilate Agno, B4

Edited at 2015-01-16 05:43 pm (UTC)
Jan. 16th, 2015 05:53 pm (UTC)
That would be the one still commonly used.

OED 1a: Rejected by God; spec. predestined by God to eternal damnation. Opposed to elect.

OED 2a. Of the mind, a mental process, etc.: depraved, debased, morally corrupt.

OED 2b. Of a person, his or her character, actions, etc.: lacking all religious or moral sense; wicked; unprincipled.

The quasi-secular/secular meanings were in use by the 1530s, in newly Protestant England.

Jan. 16th, 2015 06:12 pm (UTC)
good one, and close --- but...
Jan. 16th, 2015 05:52 pm (UTC)
Preterite it is
Lawrence beat me to it.
Jan. 16th, 2015 08:01 pm (UTC)
Re: Preterite it is
I was beaten even to this complaint.
Jan. 17th, 2015 06:53 pm (UTC)
Perdition? Or Reprobate?

Perdition can mean both hell and a state of unbelief or depravity. There is the first (or third) of the five points of Calvinism called "Total Depravity," but it can also be translated as "pervasive depravity" or "radical corruption"

Maybe Anathematized?

Edited at 2015-01-17 06:58 pm (UTC)
Jan. 20th, 2015 08:35 pm (UTC)
Was this the kind of discussion heard at the Second Vatican Council?
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